Posts by Village Idiot

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Is it the original anointed person or their clone who will be in heaven?

by deegee in

the wt teaches that there's no part of a human being that survives the death of the body.

if the anointed do not have an immortal soul/ some immaterial part of them that survives death, then whoever will be in heaven won't be the original anointed person but their clone since once a person dies, according to wt theology, they cease to exist; so god will have to create a spirit body from nothing for that person and that created body by definition will therefore not be the original person but their clone.. so it will be a person's clone that will get to live forever in heaven and rule with christ, and not the original person.............one can now see why other religions teach the doctrine of the immortality of the soul..

Village Idiot

As far as cloning is concerned it doesn't produce a person with your unique memories. Case in point, identical twins.

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New, but needed to vent- thank you :-)

by Danni Jackson in

i discovered your website this morning as i was trying to find some information about 'marking'.

you see a very close friend of mine was 'marked' earlier this week and as i know the ins and outs of the situation (as we are close friends) i disregarded the talk immediately as i know my friend is obviously having issues but is no way a 'danger' to anybody else's spiritual health.

basically they are dating a non-believer- hence the talk.

Village Idiot

Hi there! Welcome.

You can expect more of their "one dimensional" type of thinking. That should be a reason for you to fade out.

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Is it the original anointed person or their clone who will be in heaven?

by deegee in

the wt teaches that there's no part of a human being that survives the death of the body.

if the anointed do not have an immortal soul/ some immaterial part of them that survives death, then whoever will be in heaven won't be the original anointed person but their clone since once a person dies, according to wt theology, they cease to exist; so god will have to create a spirit body from nothing for that person and that created body by definition will therefore not be the original person but their clone.. so it will be a person's clone that will get to live forever in heaven and rule with christ, and not the original person.............one can now see why other religions teach the doctrine of the immortality of the soul..

Village Idiot

Adventists have the doctrine of soul sleep where they say that there is an immortal soul but it is unconscious until the resurrection. The Watchtower doctrine, while leaning heavily on Adventist doctrine, killed that doctrine and replaced it with a materialistic one where the soul (Nephesh) is the whole body. That includes the "spirit" (Ruach) which they refer to as an animating but impersonal force that disappears at death.

Your mother was probably thinking of this interpretation of "spirit" when she made - probably her personal analogy - a reference to electricity. In any case you can apply that same reasoning to those of the earthly resurrection (any resurrected ones for that matter.

By the way, your clone illustration has been used by sci-fi philosophers pondering whether Star Trek's transporter beam really transports you elsewhere or simply kills you while recreating an identical you at the transport site.

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Utah Jehovah’s Witnesses church forced woman to listen to audio of her rape, lawsuit says

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.sltrib.com/news/4465861-155/woman-sues-utah-jehovahs-witnesses-church.

utah jehovah’s witnesses church forced woman to listen to audio of her rape, lawsuit says.

a woman is suing a jehovah's witnesses church in weber county after, she says, one of its instructors repeatedly raped her when she was a minor and the organization's leadership forced her to listen to an audio recording of one of the assaults.. the woman filed the lawsuit wednesday in 2nd district court, accusing the kingdom hall of jehovah's witnesses church in roy — as well as naming the alleged perpetrator, several church leaders and the watchtower bible and tract society (the religion's headquarters located in new york) — of knowingly allowing the "unfit" instructor to rise to a position of authority without warning members of his "dangerous propensities" and past sexual transgressions.. read more: http://www.sltrib.com/news/4465861-155/woman-sues-utah-jehovahs-witnesses-church.

Village Idiot

recovering,
I am wondering if child porn laws also apply to audio recordings? If so elders are guilty.

Would there be a statute of limitations for that?

She also might be able to sue them for psychological abuse.

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Trump supporters want to repeal 19th amendment

by keyser soze in

seriously, you can't make this shit up.

and these same people will accuse hillary of rigging the election after she wins:.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-supporters-repeal-19th-amendment-article-1.2828571.

Village Idiot

nonjwspouse,
VI- why is it I keep hearing a form of this:
...we might have to emigrate north; if we can make it over Canada's wall that is.
Why north instead of emigrating south?
Should this be called racism? If not, why not?
In my years I have really disliked come candidates that won, but yet I don't claim to pack my little bag and run away from home if I don't get my way. I deal with it, speak up about what happens that I consider wrong. I live in a free country that I love. To claim to plan to emigrate if your candidate loses, is to lose credibility as a emotionally mature citizen. Put on your big boy pants and learn, debate, engage in political races, run for an office if you believe you have better solutions. THAT is what American freedom is about, not running away.

I don't get your comparison of emigrating to Canada as being somehow racist.

As to putting on my "big boy pants", "be emotionally mature" and "run for office" what's the point of that if psychopaths like Trump win? Remember, Adolf Hitler's Nazi party was elected into office. It was the fools who did not leave.

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Trump supporters want to repeal 19th amendment

by keyser soze in

seriously, you can't make this shit up.

and these same people will accuse hillary of rigging the election after she wins:.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-supporters-repeal-19th-amendment-article-1.2828571.

Village Idiot

Simon,
He's given insanity a voice and I almost wonder if America needs someone like Trump to win and make an utter mess of things to shut the idiots up for good.

Four years of Trump might equal forty years of Democrats. Otherwise, we might have to emigrate north; if we can make it over Canada's wall that is.

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Trump supporters want to repeal 19th amendment

by keyser soze in

seriously, you can't make this shit up.

and these same people will accuse hillary of rigging the election after she wins:.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-supporters-repeal-19th-amendment-article-1.2828571.

Village Idiot

nonjwspouse,
...a republican candidate you obviously despise.

What's there not to despise?

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Article: Are There Contradictions in the Bible?

by ttdtt in

when online looking at the recent wt there was a link to this..https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/are-there-contradictions-in-the-bible/.

here are the "big" ones they disproved - though not really:).

if god rested on the seventh day, how has he continued working?where did jesus heal the blind man?will the earth be destroyed?in capernaum, who brought the centurion’s request to jesus?do we all sin?is jesus equal to god or lesser than god?.

Village Idiot

OLD TESTAMENT (Jewish Bible)

1. Will the real Ten Commandments please stand up? Two different versions of the Ten Commandments that contradict each other: Exodus 20:1-17 compare to Exodus 34:1-27.

2. How the former slaves of Israel treated their own slaves:

Ø Non-Israelites could be taken as slaves for life and their children passed off as an inheritance: Leviticus 25:44-46 compare to Leviticus 19:33-34 where it says the exact opposite.

Ø A Hebrew slave was obligated for only six years of slavery but had to leave behind the wife his master gave him along with his children: Exodus 21:2-6.

Ø A master was allowed to savagely beat his slave so long as he or she did not die within a day or two: Exodus 21:20-21 compare to Exodus 2:11-12.

Ø If a slave had an eye blinded by his master he was to be set free but his master was not blinded in punishment according to the rule of an ‘eye for an eye’ that applied to other people guilty of the same crime: Exodus 21:26-27 compare to Leviticus 24:19-21.

3. Exterminate thy neighbors:

Ø All of them some of the time: Deuteronomy 3:1-6.

Ø Men only at other times. Women and children are plunder: Deuteronomy 20:10-18.

Ø Everyone except virgin girls when the mood strikes: Numbers 31:17-18.

Ø Take captive brides after killing their mother and father: Deuteronomy 21:10-14.

4. How the Israelites treated their ladies:

Ø If a single woman was raped, her rapist was punished by being forced to marry her, never divorce her and paying a fine to her father: Deuteronomy 22:28-29.

Ø Women got their hands cut off for defending their husbands if they yanked his attacker's testicles: Deuteronomy 25:11-12.

Ø If an engaged or married woman was raped she was to be executed if she failed to scream: Deuteronomy 22:23-24.

Ø A woman had to prove her virginity or be stoned to death: Deuteronomy. 22:13-21.

Ø A man could sell his daughter into permanent slavery: Exodus 21:7-11.

5. God had someone killed for gathering firewood on a Saturday: Numbers 15:32-36.

6. God cannot see well: Genesis 18:20-21; Deuteronomy 23:12-14.

7. God has a lot of trouble counting:

Ø King David kills 700 charioteers and 40,000 horsemen or is it 7,000 charioteers and 40,000 foot soldiers? 2 Samuel 10:18 compare to 1 Chronicles 19:18.

Ø King David kills 18,000 Edomites, or is it 12,000? 1 Chronicles 18:12 compare to Psalms 60 chapter title.

Ø King Solomon’s slave supervisors numbered 550 or 250? 1 Kings 9:20-23 compare to 2 Chronicles 8:7-10.

Ø A talent for exaggeration (Hint: A talent equals 75 lbs): 1 Chronicles 22:14.

8. God Unmighty! God miraculously saved the Israelites from Pharaoh’s chariots Exodus 14:23-25 but later he could not handle another nation’s chariots Judges 1:19.

NEW TESTAMENT (Christian Bible)

1. Jesus miraculously heals muteness, blindness and curved spines by exorcising demons.

Ø He makes blind and mute people see and talk by exorcising demons that possessed them: Matthew 12:22 and Luke 11:14.

Ø Jesus casts out demons that were responsible for a woman being a hunchback: Luke 13:10-13, 16.

2. Jesus curses a fig tree for not having fruit out of season: Mark 11:12-21; Matthew 21:18-20.

3. Jesus curses entire towns for not being impressed by his miracles but later asks God to forgive his murderers: Matthew 11:20-24 compare to Luke 23:34.

4. John the Baptist recognizes Jesus then later forgets who he is: John 1:29-34 compared to Matthew 11:2-3.

5. False prophesies of Jesus and his followers:

Ø The Messiah (“Son of Man”) will come before his disciples finish preaching in Israel. Matthew 10:21-23.

Ø Jesus will be back before some disciples die but later claims he said something else. Matthew 16:28 compare to John 21:21-23.

6. The crucifixion. Two tales of two thieves: Matthew 27:38-44 and Mark 15:27-32 compared to Luke 23:39-43.

7. Jesus blesses the “peacemakers” but later says that he came not to bring peace to the earth but “a sword” by dividing families: Matthew 5:9 compare to Matthew 10:34.

8. Christian view on women:

Ø Women should shut up in church: 1 Corinthians 14:34-35.

Ø Women should wear a head covering on their heads in church: 1 Corinthians 11:3-6.

Ø Women should not teach men: 1 Timothy 2:11-15.

9. Christian view on slavery: 1 Peter 2:18-20.

10. Disappearing verses: John 7:53-8:11.

11. Multiple endings for Jesus’ departure: Mark 16:9-19.

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Crisis of Conscience Raymond Franz

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

this book has been recommended to me a few times.

is it worth reading?.

how could i get a copy without paying the massive amount stated on amazon and ebay?

Village Idiot

I heard of people getting df'd for having that book.

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Serious question..Leviticus 20:15 Why slay the beast???

by James Mixon in

it's not as if the sheep was trying to seduce the shepherd, the poor creature was violated.

we have come a long way from those days, thank goodness.

so why slay the sheep or beast?????